john said i think the debate has been stifled. because we have created this conservative group think over 30 years. it has become more and more narrow. it would allow all of our primary presidential candidates being asked if he would take a 10 to one d zero on spending cuts to taxes and everybody is afraid to talk about regulation. >> quoting reagan and buckley -- [talking over each other] >> liberals believe you manage the government from the top down and we believe you manage the economy from the bottom up. we are managing ideas from the top down. you want to talk about why everybody is talking about her? because there are 20 or 30 conservative proposals out there. talk about 1993, i was going to run for congress in 1994. in 1993, i went around the things like this and there was so much excitement out there because it wasn't just a talk radio guy that everybody listens to or a news channel that everybody listens to or a website that everybody went to. you would get a great welfare reform idea in michigan. you get great time -- c